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know, when do you think we'll get back to what we would consider a healthy economy and a healthy job environment? >> i think it's a multiyear process ahead of us. i think it will be a slow slog. actually i look at the very, very low rates that we have right now, the treasury rates, really being a sign of the sickness of the economy. when we start to see treasury rates on a sustained upward move, that will tell me that we're going back to what used to be normal, say pre-07 to a economy growing 3 or 4%. until we start to see the fed not pushing down on rates so much we have to look for more of the same. tracy: real quickly some of the sectors you like one of them is energy. a lot of people say we have energy boom in the united states. you like the shale gas and liquids, right? >> yes because here's an industry that really has exploded in the last half a dozen years where it didn't previously exist. it will help to lower the cost of energy in the whole economy making our economy again more efficient than just about any other developed country and a source of real wealth as we create to build out th
know, when do you think we'll get back to what we would consider a healthy economy and a healthy job environment? >> i think it's a multiyear process ahead of us. i think it will be a slow slog. actually i look at the very, very low rates that we have right now, the treasury rates, really being a sign of the sickness of the economy. when we start to see treasury rates on a sustained upward move, that will tell me that we're going back to what used to be normal, say pre-07 to a economy...
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we're liking inflationary environment down the road. this is bad news. >> you could could make the argument invite blowing past short term helpful, long term payne full. melissa: spending cuts, tax hikes are very dramatic going over the cliff. when you look at numbers, still is like five to one raising taxes to cutting spending. >> that's right. melissa: no one is really talking about cutting spending. isn't that the first thing you would do? if your fiscal house was in such disarray, household at home, first thing you do is stop spending. no one is doing that. >> what scares me, is that point. whether you agree or disagree hiking taxes i am not a fan of it but i think it will come. we can get past this. charlie gasparino and i have argued this. one of the consequences of the election the president will probably get his way raising most rates. melissa: right. >> i'm not saying i'm a fan. let's get past that, let's make it happen. republicans realize you lost election you didn't suddenly lose your backbone. this should be precursor getti
we're liking inflationary environment down the road. this is bad news. >> you could could make the argument invite blowing past short term helpful, long term payne full. melissa: spending cuts, tax hikes are very dramatic going over the cliff. when you look at numbers, still is like five to one raising taxes to cutting spending. >> that's right. melissa: no one is really talking about cutting spending. isn't that the first thing you would do? if your fiscal house was in such...
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how do you continue to grow share in an increasingly competitive environment? >> well, we try to stay ahead of the game. we have collections. i think one of the big trademarks of our product is the quality and intensity of colors, of course, joe kohler has been tremendous for us. the whole joe market opened up the professional market. we stay true to the course. when they get opi on their nails, you know it is quality. sometimes they would pay a little bit more to get a better product. that is where the opi name comes in. connell: we talk about the tax rates going up at the end of the year, potentially, for everybody. highly likely they will go up for the wealthiest of americans. in california, the top tax rate will be close to 52%. are you comfortable paying taxes at that level? >> comfortable or not, that is the price of living in california. i think there is a responsibility that each one of us has. we have to pay our fair share. it is what it is. dagen: okay. [ laughter ] >> i do not think we should get bogged down in the present, it is more important to go
how do you continue to grow share in an increasingly competitive environment? >> well, we try to stay ahead of the game. we have collections. i think one of the big trademarks of our product is the quality and intensity of colors, of course, joe kohler has been tremendous for us. the whole joe market opened up the professional market. we stay true to the course. when they get opi on their nails, you know it is quality. sometimes they would pay a little bit more to get a better product....
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now, the difficulty is you have 70%, three out of four americans who saved it do not have enough for environment. lori: should average investors follow the institutions? >> yeah, you know, one of the things we are seeing is a lot of institutions have held off or have looked at managing risk and mitigating in their own portfolios. you are looking at this longer-term investing. writing to the store. looking at structures that allow you to mitigate risk and have better sleeping at night. you cannot fund a retirement by earning a half of a percent of 1% and a stable money market fund or bond. you will need to take some risk. sure. i was just going to come in with a risk. should i go risk on all the way and really go crazy and put in some, you know -- [talking over each other] >> it all depends on what your circumstances are. if you have some longer-term horizons, you should be looking out what type of risk you can look at in the portfolio. the big dynamic change has been risks moving from i do not want to miss the upside to a game i want to watch and protect my principal. it is about risk budgeting
now, the difficulty is you have 70%, three out of four americans who saved it do not have enough for environment. lori: should average investors follow the institutions? >> yeah, you know, one of the things we are seeing is a lot of institutions have held off or have looked at managing risk and mitigating in their own portfolios. you are looking at this longer-term investing. writing to the store. looking at structures that allow you to mitigate risk and have better sleeping at night. you...